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**Brent** · December 11, 2003, 01:59

1.0.2 Barbarian Civs

Are the Traits of Barbarian Civs something we need to address?

1.0.3 Civil Wars

Which Civs are prone to splitting should be balanced with other characteristics. Civs that can split apart include Spain, England, France, Celts, Romans, Arabs, Germany, Scandinavia. Spain can split into Portugal, Mexico, Peru, Argentina, etc. England can split into America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa. Celts can split into Brittany, Ireland, Wales, Cornwall, Scotland. Rome can split into Spain, Italy, France, Romania. Arabs can split into Egypt, Iraq. Germany can split into Austria, Switzerland. Scandinavia can split into Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Faroes, Jutes, Vinland.

1.2.0 Civilization Traits

How many Traits should there be, and how many should each civ have? Should one Trait be able to fill two slots?

2.0.1 Rulers

Should at least one of each Civ's two available Rulers be male? Should each ruler have his or her own traits which affect the way they play the game?

4.0.0 Immigration

What about migration between cities of the same Civ?

Az · December 11, 2003, 14:31

more civilizations, but they start as tribes, and aren't really considered civs before they complete their palace. The game would start earlier. before the palace the tribes won't create any culture, though they would be able to create warriors archers, and such -> no science.

once palaces are built, the civilizations will overtake the near tribes rapidly, with the villages and encampments turning into small cities.

**Rasputin** · December 11, 2003, 15:32

the ability of barbarians to capture citys must be reinstigated as per civ 2.... once captured they can then just churn out more barbs..

all civs should have a chance of revolt if capital taken again as per civ2. split usa into yankees and confederates etc....

Dont need any more civs added cause we can should be able to customize them, add our own traits , give them own abiltiys etc..
from setup screen not from editor.

**Brent** · December 11, 2003, 15:55

More Civs

I want the official people to do the work of designing more civs.

1.0.3 Civil Wars

USSR can split into Ukraine, Belarus, Siberia, Kamchatka. America can split into Texas, California. Germany can split into Bavaria, Saxony, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein.

1.1.1 Allies Joining into Supranational Force

England, Germany, France, etc can merge together.

**MxM** · December 13, 2003, 02:26

1.2.0.1 With each change of government, the civ can change the traits (like social engineering in AC). Example: communist revolution in Russia, made that country be militaristic, industrial, may be scientific as well.
1.2.0.2 Different governments might have different number of traits, and may be some of them are fixed. Example Communist government must have militaristic trait, can not have agricultural trait, and can chose to other traits
1.2.0.3. Some wonders of the world can either give the trait, or give opportunity to add one, or freely change the traits for some time.

**POTUS** · December 13, 2003, 03:05

2.0.1
Every civilization should have at least two, maybe three, leaders, and at least one should be of each gender, like Civ II. I no longer want to have to be Joan of Arc to play the French.

**Frozzy** · December 13, 2003, 03:24

2.0.1

Each civilisation has a different ruler every so often (either when the civ is in a bad patch or something). Name is made up. The person has traits like the civilisations in that one could be conservative and pressing (ala Margaret Thatcher), or changing an friendly (ala Mikhail Gorbachev), or militaristic and fascist (ala Adolf Hitler).

**Brent** · December 13, 2003, 04:09

Technology

In the Ancient Age, built in Civs should have their own tech trees. They can be partially the same as the trees of other Civs. Parts of the trees correspond with an entire culture group. Maybe even let there be more than one tree for each civ during the Ancient Age, the civ- specific one very limited and one of the other trees corresponds to the culture group and the other is universal. When two civs meet, eachothers' tech trees become available. Different culture groups have different writing technologies, such as pictographs, glyphs, hieroglyphs, cuneiform, alphabet, and syllabary. Writing does not become available to the American culture group until late in the Ancient Age.

The Scientific Civ Trait can provide slightly quicker research like the University in SMAC.

**Kramerman** · December 15, 2003, 01:50

MORE CIVS!
MORE CIV ATTRIBUTES!

there should be a huge list of civ attributes, more than the 9 or 10 they have (including the ones added in COnquest)

you could add a lot (i dont know a lot off the top of my head) like offensive or defensive, sedentary or roaming(forget the proper word), forest dwellers, mountain dwellers, or plain dwellers, urban or rural, nature fairing or nature exploiting (or perhaps industrious or environmental) etc, etc. ANd like the old attributes, each should give the civ some small bonus.

These would be the inherent attributes of your civ, that you could possibly alter during gameplay slightly by using the SMAC-like social engineering and government choosing which would give penalties and bonuses like that of the inherent civ attributes

And then each civ should have like 4 or 5 or 10 speacial attributes out of a list of as many as they can come up with, instead of just 2. I think this would make gameplay much more interesting and make each civ much more uniques

CUSTOM CIV!
you should be able to customize a civ at a game start if you wish. Choosing however many attributes you are allowed, choosing your cultural group (asian, european, arab, mediteranian, african, american), choosing your UUs from hte list (im hoping there are at least one more UU per civ, if not a UU for each civ for each age), etc. Again, just basically customizing your own civ if you wanted to. cause, i mean, this game is about building a civilization form the ground up, right?

**Kramerman** · December 15, 2003, 01:52

Originally posted by Azazel
more civilizations, but they start as tribes, and aren't really considered civs before they complete their palace. The game would start earlier. before the palace the tribes won't create any culture, though they would be able to create warriors archers, and such -> no science.

once palaces are built, the civilizations will overtake the near tribes rapidly, with the villages and encampments turning into small cities.

i really like this idea

**Kramerman** · December 15, 2003, 01:56

instead of having a bunch of barbarian camps, they should have a bunch (but not enarly as many, obviously) of small barbarian 'civs'

these civs would be able to build 'villages' and have limited research and stuff (based on war basically), but at a much slower rate due to their barbarian culture. wouldnt be able to irrigate or mine or anyhting like that probably. their towns should produce warriors of whatever tech they are one (warrior, short swordsmen, spearmen, broad swrodsmen, etc) as well as pirate ships if they area coastal town

oh, and you should be able to hire them as mercaneries maybe, or bribe them if they might sack one of your cities. and if they do sack a city, there SHOULD be a decent chance that they take and hold the city as their own!

Az · December 15, 2003, 05:56

I personally like my idea better, (

), Kramerman, since this avoids putting some fake barrier between civ tribes, and barb tribes. civs should be just very well advanced tribes.

**Kramerman** · December 15, 2003, 06:50

yeah me too, except how will the barbarians ever get the tech to build beyond archers and warriors, or the tech to build ships?

**Stefu** · December 15, 2003, 08:06

I want small civilizations. IIRC they were at one time supposed to be in Civ3. I also want immigration and a closer emphasis on the nationality. You should be able to set up specific policies concerning how you treat your minority populations - do you tolerate them, promote a multicultural society, try to assimilate them or persecute them? (However, if you're a cosmopolitan civilization with people from all the other civs in, this could get unwieldy. Perhaps only set policies concerning a few important minorities?)

Also, I want more African civs and Asian civs - in general, more non-Western civs. A proposed Civ list:

Americans
Iroquois
Aztecs
Mayans
Incas
French
Germans
English
Celts
Spanish
Romans
Greeks
Russians
Norsemen
Dutch
Portuguese
Hungarians
Turks
Arabs
Hebrews
Babylonians
Assyrians
Persians
Egyptians
Carthagians
Ethiopians
Mali (or possibly some other West African civ of the era - Songhay, Dahomey etc.)
Zulus
Mongols
Indians
Vietnamese
Siamese
Koreans
Chinese
Khitai
Japanese
Javans

There should also be at least two rebellers for each civ, able to break off from the civilization and form a small, independent country. And plent of small countries, which can for independently.

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